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. >>> talks between the white house and republicans over the fiscal cliff are grinding to a hold. house speaker john boehner dealing with division in the gop's ranks to his budget plan. we've got a shanghai surprise. china's mainland markets up over nearly 3% after beijing's new leaders called for economic stability and new business growth. and it looks like more austerity for britain. george osborne getting ready to release his autumn statement. >>> nokia shares a little bit high today. they are teaming up with china mobile, giving access to the world's biggest mobile phone markets. >>> if you just got up, very warm welcome to the start of your global trading day. stocks are on the front foot this morning. this is where we stand with u.s. futures. currently called up around about 30 points higher. the dow down, what, 13 points? the nasdaq called up just under 40 points. the s&p 500 at the moment is called up just over three points. it was down two points yesterday. european stocks doing a little built better. they were as flat as a pancake, as i've been saying. as flat as my pancakes.
the next step, house republicans put forward their plan to avoid the fiscal cliff. proposal quickly dismissed by democrats and the white house. eu finance ministers trying to come to an agreement on a european banking union. this as the ecb vice president says appointment of the supervisory board should be decided by central bank itself. and australia central bank has cut interest rates to match their low he is level since the financial crisis in a bid to try to get ahead of sluggish commodities demand. very good morning to you. kelly away all week. we seem to be on different schedules. pretty disappointing ism manufacturing. lowest in three years. today called slightly higher, 12 1/2 pounds. a flat tisch day yesterday for the ftse. just up four points. ftse and dax up 9 and 10 out of the last 11 trading days. dock 40 up on 0.7%. ibex up two thirds. the white house and leading democrats have dismissed the latest proposal by republicans suggesting it didn't address the president's pledge to hike taxes on the wealthy. the plan would generate $800 billion in into tnew tax revenu leaves
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are off on housing improvements should we go over the fiscal cliff. >>> speaking of housing, would you buy a mortgage from walmart? or how about a mortgage from an onlime payment providing like paypal? results after new survey, what does it mean for banks and consumers in the next half-hour. >>> a deal may be in the works involving two of the best known airlines. delta is in talks to buy 49% of virgin atlantic from it current shareholder which is singapore airlines. cnbc's phil lebeau is back with us from chicago again. phil, what's in it for delta? is it root structure? >> it is the root structure and gates at heathrow. singapore airlines wants to sell its stake in virgin atlantic. it has struggled for some time. they own 49% of virgin aen lick. the possible price here -- this is just an estimate at this point according to industry sources -- $1.1 billion to $1.3 billion. who owns the other 51%? we all know who it is. richard branson. for a couple of years now he has been weighing the future of virgin atlantic. this is an airline that despite all the publicity, it has struggled to really
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it comes to the fiscal cliff. but tim geithner just told cnbc that we're going to go over the cliff unless tax rates go up. at the same time, two dozen republican house members signed a bipartisan letter with democrats defecting from the boehner plan. in the meantime, a nice game for the day for the dow, but a stunning selloff for apple. do you know what? fiscal cliff or not, the s&p 500 is up 12% year to date. that is a handsome gain for investors, an optimistic year, believe it or not. and we already bailed out detroit's auto industry. but now, at least one motown politician is telling president obama he should bail out detroit bankrupt city government, too. this sure isn't the free market, and i asked why should a texas taxpayer bail out detroit? >>> breaking news from syria, and it is a blockbuster. the assad regime is walking and loading its chemical weapons, ready to use them on its own people. nbc's chief pentagon correspondent joins us now. jim, is this the red line president obama was warning about? >> well, not quite yet. u.s. officials tell us that the syrian military is poised
. >> welcome back. >> yesterday the white house fiscal cliff proposal made top senate republican mitch mcconnell laugh, we are told. >> today the rhetoric continued. eamon javers breaks down all the hardball offers and the reactions in washington. over to you, eamon. >> hi, guys. we got a lot going on here in washington this week. a lot of horse trading. we dealt with a lot of the spee speech. the white house is saying they'd like to see $1.6 trillion in tax increases up front here. they'd like to continue the payroll tax credit. they want a permanent increase in the debt limit and a one-year extension of expanded jobless benefits. they want at least $50 billion in spending as a stimulus to the economy. that was the white house ask that prompted that laugh from mitch mcconnell when tim geithner gave it to him yesterday. today in an interview with "the wall street journal," mcconnell floated his own balloon of what he'd like to see. here are some of the elements. mcconnell saying they want changes to entitlement eligibility. they would agree to more tax revenue, yes, but not higher rates.
geithner says the white house is ready to go over the fiscal cliff if tax rates on the wealthiest don't rise. investors looking for ecb guidance when draghi announces the bank decision later today. and stocks in europe are trading higher. aerospace giant has unveiled its ownership restructuring plans. apple and samsung are heading back to a californian courtroom today to renew their dispute. hearing starts at 4:30 eastern. samsung wants the court to toss out a jury verdict for patent infringement. apple wants to block some sales of samsung smartphones in the united states. apple suffered its worst day in four years and may be creediedi ground in the market. 417 companies in the s&p have a market cap below $35 billion. in frankfurt right now, apple stock down 3%. i'm afraid more bad news, as well, coming out of china. because apparently apple's rang in china smartphone market which will become the largest this year is down two spots to number six in the third quarter. suffering tough competition from chinese brands. this is according to idc. they say the u.s. market share in china unde
is recovering. if we were talking about the fiscal cliff two years ago they would never be able to let this fall through because we were close to recessionary times. we're out of recession. housing prices are beginning to recover. jobs are starting to come back. we're seeing, i think, a manufacturing renaissance back to north america. that is going to be positive through this. >> how much are you hanging your bullish hat on the amount of cash on the sidelines? you've identified already identified that. the fact corporations need to put that money to work, we're underinvested. your bullish call, seems to me, is based on those corporations finally getting off the dime and putting that money to work. is that the idea? >> it's a big part of it. how investment works, right, you build up capacity from a scarcity level, right? you have too much capacity and correct back down again. that was the '90s. we took on a bunch of capacitity and then the first ten years of this millennium we stripped out capacity when the rest of the world was building up capacity. now we have cash on the balance sheet we can s
the fiscal cliff, many high income earns are taking steps to sell their houses, stocks and even businesses before the end of the year. you're going to name names? >> one of the advantages of being wealthy is that you could manage your income around taxes and the wealthy are doing a lot of income managing right now, with tax rates scheduled to go up next year for capital gains, dividends, salaries, they are racing to take their gains before january 1. many rich entrepreneurs, they have their own private companies, if they planned to sell those businesses anyway this year, they're struggling to do it now. george lucas sold his -- a broker in miami told me that the sale of a $38 million home is -- wealth advisers tell me the rich are also churning or selling stocks if they have a large gain, they're taking that now. we're seeing that selling pressure in the market, you guys have been talking about that a lot recently. some of the biggest money is coming from dividends, both private and public companies. taxes on dividends could more than triple next year, more than 100 companies have already
for america is for us to get our fiscal house in order. >> the fiscal cliff and fiscal abyss, we've got to get through the cliff to settle the abyss. >> but the key issue is you must send the message to those that are going to create the wealth in the future and that's businessmen and women, that there's stability and predictability on all of these issues, on taxes, on the regulatory policy and they don't see that. i mean, there are -- i think approaching $2 trillion sitting on the sidelines. >> right. >> that is not going to be invested in this country because there is no predictability. there is no stability. they are scared to death about what washington's going to do next. and the reason texas is as stable, the reason people are moving to texas in record numbers, is because we have created that stability. >> but you won your election running on the idea that you were going to treat government differently. president obama claims that he won his election because he came up with this idea of saying that they were going to raise tax rates on the wealthiest 2% and keep rates where they are for
and gradually. remember, if we do go over the fiscal cliff that will take the whole market down, so you put this on a shopping list, because that could give you a terrific entry point. i think the housing cycle is so darn strong, it can trump the ills of the fiscal cliff, at least once it's sorted out. ultimately the cliff will be sorted out. of the three housing-related ipos, you need to be careful with zillow and trulia, the only one i will endorse is realogy, and only if it comes down to a level where it's cheap. how about michael in california, please? michael. >> caller: boo-yah to you, jim. with a solid dividend that pays monthly at almost a 16% yield, its current valuation a dollar beneath book value, isn't a.r.r. a great value? >> you know what? i have thought it was. this is another one of those real estate mortgage reits that i have somewhat been mystified about the price performance. someone asked about this on the street, and i said i think it should be doing better. i agree, i think it's an okay buy. john in oregon, please. >> caller: boo-yah, jimmy, how are you? >> boo-yah bac
after discouraging words from washington on the state of the fiscal cliff. this time it was house speaker boehner speaking with reporters after meeting with treasury secretary tim geithner. eamon javers is in washington with the latest. eamon, the sentiment down here is these guys should stop talking and start crafting a deal. >> reporter: that's the sentiment here in the hallways of capitol hill as well, sue. i can tell you that. we are starting to get a little more clarity on what's going on here today. i just had the chance just a few moments ago to button-hole senator harry reid here in the hallway, asking him a very specific question. i said did treasury secretary tim geithner come up here with a new specific offer for republicans? is that what he laid down on the table for speaker john boehner today? reid told me -- no, there was no specific offer here today from geithner to the republican side. he said that the president of the united states made the democrats' over two weeks ago and there's been no new specific offer since then. i think that explains a little bit of why we
market. core logic reporting u.s. home sales are up 6.3%. with fears of the fiscal cliff looms, are we out of the woods yet? are those worries prompting wealthy homeowners to sell ahead of possible tax changes? good to see everybody. robert, back in august you were the first to report the trend. now the race for homeowners to close before 2013 is heating up. just got a couple weeks left before the fiscal cliff. what's at stake here? >> for the wealthy homeowners and sellers, especially, it's a lot of money. if you have a $20 million or $had $30 million home, you're talking thousands in tax savings. the concern was this could add to inventory and possibly depress prices. you had wealthy people not just listing their homes in hopes of selling them this year but taking lower prices to avoid higher taxes. in fact, the housing market, especially at top, has been strong toward the ends of this year. i think some of those fears are now alleviated, especially with all the foreign money coming into places like miami and new york. i think if anything, this will add some welcome urgency to those
at the white house, president obama talking about the fiscal cliff. john? >> i wanted to play a soundbite from the bloomberg interview that i mentioned to sue a few minutes ago. one yes offered a carrot to say if you do that in the short term, put revenue on the table concretely in that way, we will have a long process of tax entitlement reform that could end up reducing the rate in 2013. here is the president. >> not able to come up with a comprehensive tax reform package that gets it all done just in the next two weeks. we are not going to be able to come one necessarily comprehensive entitlement reform package that gets it all done in the next two weeks. when you luke at what ronald reagan did back in 1986, working with bill bradley and others, that was a year and a half process. what i have suggested is let's essentially put a down payment on taxes, let's let tax rates on the upper income folks go up. >> now, the difficulty of tax reform has been a concern of the white house throughout this discussion, all the way back to 2011. it's why they insisted on the top rates going up. at that time
he convince the white house to back the republican solution to the fiscal cliff? one more look at futures on a tuesday morning as melissa said. not a lot of data today. just wait until the next three days. it all starts with adp, jobs coming up later this week. more "squawk on the street" back in a minute. bob, these projections... they're... optimistic. productivity up, costs down, time to market reduced... those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. >>> shares of toll brothers are rising beating estimates helped by a jump in signed contracts and a drop in cancellation rates. every metric in this report came out gangbusters and the ceo cited this upswing in momentum that began in the first quarter of this year. they say next signed contracts increased quarter by quarter. 45%, 51%, 66% and 75%. now that's a case for momentum sustained here. >> the question is auto. obviously tremendous demand. home
of the white house's proffer here in the fiscal cliff negotiations. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> one can only hope. so how should investors brace themselves for the big week ahead? in today's trader triple play, jeff kilburg, along with mahir dongei. steve, you get to go first. would you have expected that today basically a flat-line kind of day for the dow and s&p and so forth, would have been more volatile given greece, given the comments out of washington and in pennsylvania? >> i certainly would have. i'd have thought that the greek news, the bailout tranche, would have been more positive. i would have thought the miss on consumer spending would have been more negative. i would have thought we saw more movement in the futures market before the open. we didn't see that. we waited for the political speakers. they've been pretty much lined up on their sides defending those who voted for therm. they've been moving markets which they didn't do today. >> jeff kilburg, how are you positioning your accounts, your portfo
. the fiscal cliff is actually constructive from the standpoint it causes people to come together and compromise because going over the cliff while we may do it for a short time period is not beneficial to anybody. it hurts everybody. >> so risk assets being, what, technology? what does that mean, technology? >> not necessarily. we would stay with dividend payers. we would also dip our toe into europe into some very high-quality, multicountry stocks there. mostly on consumer discretionary stocks as well. >> george, we haven't forgotten you yet. scott, i have a question for you. just noticed today france and germany's stock markets hit 52-week highs. we're still wringing our hands over the debt crisis, and the equity markets are hitting new highs for the year. is it too late to get into those markets? >> i don't think so, bill, at all. all the european markets are up for the year except portugal, which is up slightly. even greece is up year to date. i don't think you're too late on that trade at all. in fact, i think, quite frankly, the structural changes that are happening in euro
families, which is highly unusual in a country like america. what makes that so special? the fiscal cliff could be a big deal for sure. but what could trump the fiscal cliff, study this. it's the need to get out of your mother-in-law's house. get your own home. intuitive concept for those, when you think about it. we got to break here as toll brothers actually down on the news today because the market's so darn tough. i expect downgrades tomorrow from people who don't believe things can stay this strong and that could be your strong to be analysts who always downgrade ar the report. here's the bottom line. we need hope to be vanquished. we need it spindled, mutilated. chex out the holders, thinking it's imminent and leave the room and then return to what i've been tracing and huge cycles of pent-up demand. buy them on the way down. never on the way up. you can take your time. do not leave this market wholesale. who the heck knows when and from what level you can get back in. why don't we go to tom in new york. tom? >> caller: hi, jim. could this offset same-store sales and make it a buy?
? this constant focus on the fiscal cliff, obviously, it's been dictating sentiment. it's been dictating markets. are there other areas that investors should be looking at? >> well, i had a guest this morning, dr. saunders, who's testified on issues regarding housing, fha, in front of congress. he knows what he's talking about. he brought up what many of us are looking at. a lot of -- you know, real estate, residential construction was one of the positives in today's gdp report. we've seen a lot of positives in housing. but there's been a lot of legal ranging over a big group of foreclosures that looks like it's cleaned itself up. 2013 could see a lot of these dumped in the marketplace. i think housing is an area that we've seen progress, but it still might have a sluggish 2013. i really agree with our guest on high-yield munis. remember, there has been talk that one of the reforms, one of the loopholes they may close is some of the tax treatment of munis. i personally don't think it will happen, but it is an issue to be on top of. >> all right. let me ask you guys the same question, jordan and
, the fiscal cliff. geithner's president lead negotiator in the budget talks. he'll meet first with harry reid at 10:00 a.m. and then with house republicans including speaker john boehner, eric cantor and paul ryan. geithner will lunch with mitch mcconnell and then house minority leader nancy pelosi. president obama is signaling he's flexible on on where tax rates should go for the wealthiest americans. a return to the clinton era tax rates would have households pay between 36% to 39%. the president met with a group of 14 ceos wednesday afternoon. they offered support for resolving the if i can crisis with a proposal for higher taxes for those who make more than a quarter million dollars a year. sdl bo >> both sides have acknowledged that there will be revenue concessions and sbilgtment cent concessio concessions. i'm not a master of the political art here, but i would say if you have these point of views in a business context as close as they are, i would say a deal would be in reach. >> ford chairman bill ford junior agrees with blankfein saying he's confident the obama administration can re
of americans will blame a gop-held house of representatives if we do indeed go off a fiscal cliff. so he's coming into this with basically a list of demands without making any concessions. >> he'll be blamed historically. if he has a second recession on his watch, the history will be written that he presided over two recessions. that's why i refer to him as herbert hoover. [ overlapping speakers ] >> he can't play that game. he can bluff but he can't play that game. >> it's not a bluff. this is not a bluff. >> you think he would take a second recession? >> well, a second recession? >> if all the tax cuts are repealed. all of them. we're going into recession. that's why the congressional budget office said. you think he would risk a second recession that would destroy his second term? >> i think he understands the law of the land today is that everybody gets a tax increase. he's trying to give 98% of the public a tax reduction and essentially the republican party states its position rather that larry ellisson get a tax cut. >> you want to raise the top tax rate. what i'm saying is will he
, this fiscal inclusiver cliff, you have to use the weakness to buy. you're not chasing the strength. housing for sure, but i would also say go to where the companies reported in the third quarter, where did they deliver in the face of all this? who beat? >> where were they? >> starbucks, facebook, amazon, emare son electric, so there are several good companies doing goodening in the face of this. i'm not that crazy about special dividends. i would much rather see them invest in their business. >> so the techie companies, they're not going to do one-time dividends. what you're saying is don't chase that. >> yeah, you don't buy a stock because they're going to do the special dividends. >> would you by trying -- you mention emerson electric. >> we own that stock. we own caterpillar. we do own in eaton corp, they bought cooper, which is all about the grid. they just bought something they'll have 60% of their risens tied in new york america, where the growth is. >> so you're a bull. >> no i'm very selective on where i'm buying. i'm not naive to say the market will go straight up from here. it's g
in the housing market recently. could the fiscal cliff be to blame? certainly looks that way. cnbc's diana olick explains how and why. good morning, diana. >> good morning, carl. signed contracts to buy existing homes took an unexpected leap in october which led us to ask if the fiscal cliff had any hand in it. specifically around short sales which have been an ever increasing share of the housing market. now tax relief on these sales could be in jeopardy and that may be why they're revving up. let me explain. a short sale, where the bank lets you sell your house for less than the mortgage, is debt forgiveness, right? the bank is eating part of the mortgage in order to avoid a more costly foreclosure. debt forgiveness is usually taxable but not under a tax relief law passed five years ago that, yes, expires at the end of next month. if it is not extended because of the fiscal cliff, debt relief will become taxable again and that will affect thousands and thousands of short sales and principal reduction loan modifications many under the big robo signing mortgage settlement. that settlement is why
the fiscal cliff though? if we take out the mortgage deduction, which is being hotly debated in terms of the exemptions and loopholes, does that stop this housing recovery in its tracks? >> if you pick a midpoint between 0% and 3.5% and call it a fiscal slope, 1.5% drag next year is equivalent to the drag we have this year from the overall private sector. without housing as a major tail wind. next year housing should be closer to a major tail wind. there's a little bit of a buffer zone there. >> ben, what about you? you think -- are you worried about the cliff? >> yeah, i think you have to be. it's one of the reasons we took a little risk out of our portfolio. we think there will be a resolution, a grand bargain the at the end of the process that will take some gdp growth off of 2013, but not that much. not that much to derail what we think will be positive risk asset markets in 2013. >> all right. how do you want to be allocating capital? the money, of course, recently just in the last couple trading sessions has moved into financials. is this an area you would step into? what do you
the fiscal cliff. >>> also at the top of the hour, former white house council economic provider greg mankiw. from currency trading for a few to a currency market for everyone. the potential of fxcm unlocked. nyse euronext. unlocking the world's potential. the potential of yelp unlocked. nyse euronext. unlocking the world's potential. >>> welcome back, everybody. secretary treasurer time dpiet nev geithner is going to be speaking today. majority leader eric cantor, house bunt committee chairman paul ryan and the chairman of the house is tax's ways and mean committee, also lunch with republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. he has a pretty full schedule today. >>> yesterday a number of high-profile corporate leaders met with president obama at the white house including goldman sachs' ceo lloyd blankfein. >> at this point both sides had acknowledged there was going to be revenue concessions and entitlement concessions. in fact, if you listen to it, again, i'm not a master of the political art here and i'm not no washington, but i would say if you had these point of v
one major stock clearing house was raising margin requirements. and then there's the fiscal cliff. analysts citing fears about a hike in capital gains tax in 2013. rick santelli has been talking about this, though, the things that were up in 2012, those are the things being sold now, whether that be gold or any number of assets that rose appreciably over the course of the last year. we'll be talking about the future of apple and the outlook for its stock a little later this morning with jonathan geller of the boy genius report. >> good old bump on the road on the way to a trillion dollar market cap. got to 600 pretty easily. and now it's back at 500. above 600 i guess. tough to get to a trillion dollar market cap. cisco got to 600 billion once, too. it's at 100 billion. apple still at 500. we talked about are they going to come out with the chartreuse slightly smaller mini ipad. and that's going to be the -- a lot of people waiting in line for that one. >> i do have to say, i'm in the market for a mini ipad. >> not for the max ipad? >> no, i want something smaller to carry around,
. 25 days now until america goes over the fiscal cliff if nothing happens. congress still in a political stalemate. the house of representatives are taking the weekend off. when it comes to solving our debt problems, we know where both parties stand but what about the people who will have to live with the decisions? what do americans, average americans, want to see in a fiscal cliff deal? steve leisman here now with our exclusive results of the cnbc all-america economic survey. what do americans want, steve? >> what you would expect. free stuff, tyler. actually, no, we'll get into that in a second. first we want to show you results of our december cnbc all-america survey. what we asked about the fiscal cliff. the first thing we wanted to establish is do people know about this thing? we looked at some of the other times we've asked this. what we'll see right here is other situations where they knew it, where other main stories that were out there. for example, the trayvon martin shooting. 91% of americans knew about that. occupy wall street, 80%. going forward what you have
is reporting that it is apparent the gop may not dig in over the fiscal cliff and we may delay the fight. president obama addresses the business roundtable and that could be critical. david has an exclusive interview with ken moelis. back to you guys. >> let's get six in 60. six stocks in 60 seconds. >> yesterday's news overshadowed by many things. a fantastic quarter. we knew it would be household formation buying on weakness. >> 17 straight. number of quarters where they beat it. this was a major miss. >> rbc does not like clf. this is again china. i don't like it either but china is coming back. >> naz 100 taking on facebook. >> money is an index to the naz 100. people paid for this in premarket. it was a mistake. >> citi thinks limited can do a special div. >> limited has a lot of cash. gap said no yesterday. hurt the stock. >> goldman starts utx neutral. great company. a slap in the face, carl. boom. slap in the face. >> you got that right. what's on "mad" tonight? >> i have been featuring these investment -- look, the etf. i've been feeling they know america. i have to know how bad
up, we're one month away from the fiscal cliff and so far the white house and congressional republicans are still in disagreement over how to reduce the deficit and avoid a raft of tax hikes and spending cuts. yesterday our own jim cramer and maria bartiromo were on "meet the press" and cramer had a message for fellow panelists and father of the anti-tax pledge, grover norquist. >> most ceos are republican. they're on board. they're not on board with you. they're not on board with you because they fear your view. they think you do not favor going -- you favor going over the cliff. that's what they think. they think that you favor -- >> just for the record since we're on tv. that's silly if they think that they shouldn't be ceos. >> it doesn't really matter. that's what they think. >> i want you to walk me up to that moment. >> behind the record. i like that too. >> i'm stuck. like grover is stuck with this pledge he made everybody take which is that they have to go over the cliff because they obviously will not ever say the word tax. they will only say revenue. i'm stuck spe
, which is highly unusual, what makes that so special? the fiscal cliff could be a big deal. i'm going to put it in an amusing way, it is the need to get out of your mother in law's house. pretty intuitive concept when you think about it. we have a break here. because the market is so darn tough. and that could be your chance for the analysts. here is the bottom line. we need hope to be van switkwis. he so that it is so negative. have them leave the room. and we can return to the growth themes and they are autos and homes. by them on the way down and never on the way down as the scared sellers buy them out. you can take your time. who the heck knows when and from what level you can get back in. why don't we go to tom in new york. >> big lots and slower same store sales and make it a buy. it had it's gob and i don't want you to come in now. i think that big lots is not a great operator. the market needs to free itself from the notion that there will be a deal. that is what needs to happen. take your time. this hope is still not dashed enough to make this market immune from more disappoi
the white house and congressional republicans, just 29 days to go before the u.s. hits the fiscal cliff. both sides are blaming each other. timothy geithner pushing the gop to offer specific ideas and predicts they will eventually yield on raising tax rates on the wealthy. house speaker john boehner standing firm against higher taxes. sgr we' >> we've put a serious offer on the table by putting revenues up there. but the white house has responded with virtually nothing. >> why does it make sense for the country to force tax increases on all americans because of a small group of republicans won't extend tax rates for 2% of americans. there's no reason why that should happen. >> democratic strategy from bgr joining us. we'll always get a standoff at some point in these negotiations. is it a terminal standoff? when does somebody blink? >> it's not a matter of who will blink or not. i think that the republicans are trying to go tit for tat with the president. you have to realize that the president has the bully pulpit and the ability to command media. so the republicans feel the need to res
compromise with their latest counter offer on the fiscal cliff. not as many spending cuts as they originally wanted and slight entitlement reform. the white house has just reject this offer out of hand and once again it solely is because it doesn't raise tax rates on the rich. when is obama going to rise above that obsession? when will he lose that over rich people and tax rates? i don't know. tonight, i'm is going to try to call his bluff. anyway, also breaking tonight, potential catastrophe if syria uses its chemical weapons. president obama issues a stern warning to syria and i quote the world is watching. and there will be consequences if syria uses these wmds. have we just committed ourselves to another war? and the gun control debate is squarely back in the spotlight tonight after the murder/suicide by nfl player in kansas city, second amendment instead of blaming the sick people who use them. republicans have responded to a fiscal cliff counter offer to president obama. eamon javers joins us now from washington with all the details. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. leapt me wa
to be that congress, 435 members of the house, are going home at the taxpayers' expense on this day with the fiscal cliff not resolved in any meaningful way. congressman walz, thank you very much. >> yeah, i really appreciate it. >>> shares of freeport mcmoran the worst performer on the s&p. shares moving lower here. after the conference call hard-edged questions coming from one of its major shareholders. cio blackrock's natural resources team abby hambrook saying they should put this issue to shareholders an they feel like they have broken investors' trust by diversifying into energy with these $9 billion deals. back to you, sue. >>> we are just off the highs of the day, up 130 points. we'll continue to follow the markets for you. >>> plus, emergency landings and inspections by regulators. growing pains for boeing's new dreamliner. >>> plus, netflix's deal with disney. is it really a game changer? phil lebeau and julia boorstin all over those big stories. phil, you first. >> sue, right now as we speak a technical team from boeing is in new orleans looking at that dreamliner after the emergency lan
. mr. dean just last night said having us go over the fiscal cliff actually wouldn't be the worst of ideas. if that's how we're going to go and president obama has said that he's not going to sign anything without the tax increase, fine, let them own it. have republicans take a step back and give president obama what he wants. >> i've got to get out. thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >> howard dean, we preeshtd it. and katie pavelich, we appreciate it. >>> egypt's government deployed tanks around the presidential palace today after clashes with protesters killed seven people. in syria, meanwhile, rebels continue to advance on damascus, prompting concern that president assad's regime will respond with chemical weapons. question, should the u.s. intervene in any of these here now is mark ginsburg, former white house middle east advisor. welcome back, mark. here's the thing. we drew a red line, president obama drew a red line over these chemical weapons of mass destruction. at what point do we have to start bombing them to prevent them from moving and utilizes those weapons of mas
leader in the house, is going to wait until after the close to make any comments about the fiscal cliff. but the market's been moving anyway. i mean, take a look at today. again, it's another day where wall street is fixated on washington. you had decent gdp data this morning. they revised the latest quarterly data upward. that gave us a nice little rally until speaker boehner came in and said he was disappointed in the progress, that no progress had been made between the house and the white house in the last two weeks. that sent the market lower. then harry reid said, well, with we all know where we stand at this point. chuck schumer of new york said he was convinced we would have a deal by christmas. that brought the market back. we were up 40, 50 points at that point. now we've been doing a little stutter step waiting for nancy pelosi. that doesn't look like we're going to get anything in the meantime. ben willis, you've been trading this market well the last couple weeks here. are you trying to trade the fiscal cliff rhetoric? what do you do here? >> you have to buy the dips. when t
on wall street. stocks trade on fiscal cliff comments from president obama and john boehner. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> republicans know where we stand. we've said it, we've said it, we've said it so many times. >> i think all of us today are confident we can reach a bipartisan agreement by christmas time. >> according to congressional republican aides, they say they have obtained a copy of the white house's proffer here. at least $50 billion in new spending. >> do you have faith in any of them to rise above? >> would it be okay to go over? >> we will rise above. >> morgan stanley wealth management's chief investment strategist up next with his list of winners and losers. plus, how you can make money in these shaky markets as the year winds down. >>> later, as lawsuits pile up and hewlett-packard stock suffers, carly fiorina will join me for her first interview since the autonomy disaster came to light. wait until you hear who she says deserves the blame. >>> also, social security an
with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm not -- i'm certainly not insisting, i don't even desire higher rates. i think there lab drag if revenue goes up and rates go up. but i think there will also be a drag on the american economy if our budget deficit widens out forever, if we're irresponsible and governor doesn't work. left with those four choices, think think -- on the flip side, did republicans ask you to spend any nuts -- i think at this point both sides have acknowledged that there's going to be revenue concessions and entertainment concessions. in fact, if you listen to, it again, i'm not a master of the political art here, i'm in washington but i woul
pelosi says congress should address the fiscal cliff in two stages. first lawmaker shoes agree to spending cuts and an infrastructure package along with passing the middle class tax cut. she says tax and entitlement reform would then come in the next year. mean while christine lagarde says she's hopeful an agreement can be found. >> are you confident that they will reach an agreement? >> i have to come to talk about the fiscal cliff? practicing matti >> we all have fiscal cliff fatigue. >> yeah, i think it's totally understandable, but it still hasn't been dealt with as we've just seen. we think there will be a fiscal slide. we have kind of three scenarios in find. a full fiscal cliff, a bunny slope or something in the middle, a fiscal slide. and i think that's where we're headed. we believe it will be in the neighborhood of 1.5% of gdp in fiscal adjustment and i think that's obviously better than the full lack of 4.5. and it's better than -- worse than something that wouldn't make too much difference. 1.5 will make an important difference still. >> and what's in that 1.5% in t
26 days away from the fiscal cliff. steve liesman joins us now live from the treasury. he has an exclusive interview with one of the key negotiators at the white house, secretary of treasury timothy geithner. >> maria, thank you. i'm here with the secretary of treasury at a crucial time. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> speaker boehner has put forward a proposal which "usa today" says demonstrates more political courage the democrats have shown. the white house is saying today it's not even wor ty -- worthy of a response. what are we missing? >> i think we are making progress. they acknowledged they were prepapered to do $800 billion in higher taxes on part of the american economy. that's part of the balanced framework. that's definitely progress. what we need to see is have them acknowledge the rates go up. if they're willing to accept that and commit to that, then we think we could do something good for the economy. we can make the government use the taxpayers' money more efficiently, lock in some spending savings and do some long-term entitlement reforms to make s
on the fiscal cliff. today's politico's morning money reports the bank's employees have sent more than 15,000 letters to congress in the past into days. all 100 senators received letters from morgan employees and 398 of 436 house members received letters. >> andrew is not out because of rutgers. >> i think he's at home crying for me. no. he's on vacation. >> the latest fund flow data shows investors did in fact pour money into stock etfs amid the optimism that we had for a while about the fiscal cliff. stock etfs raked in about 7.7 billion in new investor cash in the weeks that ended wednesday. that's the most money since the week that the fed announced it's extended stimulus plan. meantime bond mutual funds and etfs combined attracted 1.8 billion in cash and that's the most in three weeks and more than double the previous week's in-flows. two economic reports of note today at 8:30 eastern, personal income and spending polled economists are looking for income to rise by 0.2%. while spending increases by 0.8%. also on the calendar today, but after the show, so never mind -- no. november ch
] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. >>> negotiating a deal on the fiscal cliff. they say a good compromise leaves everybody unhappy, but can house speaker john boehner rise above the partisan politics and still escape the wrath of his tea party? we'll ask former house majority leader dim armey. >>> and we've seen some major executive shake-up these year. management guru jeffrey seinfeld will join us to grade the hires and fires of 2012. >> the third hour of "squawk box" begins right now. >>> welcome back to "squawk box" here on cnbc first in business worldwide. i'm joe kernen along with becky quick. andrew ross sorkin is off today. our guest host this morning, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies and david walker, founder and ceo of the comeback america initiative. more from them in just a minute. first, we have some headlines for you this morning. let's begin with the markets and the looming fiscal cliff. the dow finishing november lower. and that is the second consecutive month. the blue championships fell .5% in november. 3% since the start of october. the nasdaq an
and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you're talking about 1980. kind of scenarios if in fact we go over the cliff? >> yes, i can't stop thinking about
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